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Every year at this time , the manager/coach along with the M.D and owner tell us it will be better next year with better recruitment. We all buy season tickets in hope ( because we want it to be true) then summer arrives we shop in the bargain basement again due to not paying decent wages. The following season is done by feb and we get told the same again regardless of owner. Only last year did we keep a season alive past February and still managed to screw it up at the death. 
11/12 - 14th place finish ,but warnock told us he would give us a promotion campaign and a side to be proud of !! 
12/13 warnock side to be proud of finished 13th after he was sacked and McDermott won 3 of last 5 games. Gfh told us Bates was gone and they would back their man.
13/14 - big bri had to beg / steal and borrow to get some funds and gfh gave us Noel hunt , Luke Murphy and Scott wootton!! Finishing 15th. Cellino tells us to have faith now he is driving the bus and it will be promotion within 2 years.
14/15- cellino’s cheap European recruitment means we never climb above 12th all season finishing in 15th. However in may adam Pearson tells us things will improve and we are going quality over quantity and with 4/5 top signings we can have a good season.
15-16- the big signings were Stuart Dallas and Chris Wood , slow start means big fat Steve is given the reins and Pearson fucks off in September. We finish 13th!! However massimo promises money back next year if we don’t make top 6!! This time we must be going for it. 
16-17 - massimo does seem to take a back seat we seem to recruit wisely even though most are on loan and we buck the recent trend , only to fall apart in April to finish 7th. This time no incentive needed , new owner ( not a crook) buys back ground and tells us top 6 minimum target. Tickets fly out.
17-18. - wood, Taylor , green , bridcutt and Bartley have been replaced by people from the Albanian league etc. After a bright start we sit 13th in April on a run of 2 wins in 17 games. But the jungle drums from Angus as told us to expect an exciting summer as lessons have been learned.  
 
No lessons are ever learned, apart from a brief flicker last year it’s been one massive shit storm since Grayson went close in 10/11 season. Fuck me this cycle is boring Leeds , just stop spouting shit and deliver or at least be honest and say we hope to do ok each year but as we can’t spend big we are going to lower the prices you have to pay to watch the fucking shit we serve up!! Ha ha 
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Pontus Jansson is falling down
What is going on with him constantly going to ground and laying there for ages? It looked soft as fuck for him to go down and then get stretchered off. 
 
Does he simply not fancy it anymore, looks it to me. 
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Post in How do we get rid of our useless players?
Felix Wieldwald  - Simply has to go and clearly is going. Think he will quickly end up back in DIV2 in Germany no doubt, doubt any top level German clubs will touch him.
 
Andy Lonergan contract  2019 - BPF been superb for me, done his best to push for number, unless we bring in someone like Westwood, McCarthy etc he's number 1, so Lonergan can be backup.
 
Vuron Anita contract  2020 - Unless they are going to play him at CM and just see he is useless to us, has absolutely no pace, so badly exposed at RB or LB. Imagine he's on decent wages too, bet he goes to Turkey or somewhere this summer. 
 
Laurens De Bock contract  - Fuck knows about this lad, he looks totally garbage can't see anyone taking him, imagine were stuck with him. 
 
Ezgjan Alioski contract  2021 - Constantly fucking diving about, we were sold that he had pace but he never actually goes passed his man. Wouldn't care if he goes, imagine if he does he will end up in Italy or somewhere.
 
Kalvin Phillips contract 2021 - Have him as back-up but literally just that, nowhere near good enough to be near starting 11.
 
Hadi Sacko contract 2020 - Brain dead, completely brain dead, we have to get rid of him somehow but another I struggle to see us shifting. 
 
Jay Roy Grot contract 2021 - Sick of this he's young shite, had decent opportunities and showed he isn't a footballer, not one iota of skill or footballing mind, total dud. 
 
Pawel Cibicki contract 2021 - Too lightweight, not good enough for Championship, imagine he will get taken by a Swedish team this summer. 
 
Caleb Ekuban contract 2021- 24 years old, just isn't a natural finisher or at least not quick enough to take slim chances offered in Championship. Imagine he stays here as back up. 
 
 
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Waccoe.com - Win free tickets v Bristol C & Brentford
Win two free tickets side by side for one of the above home games.
 
Please indicate if you want to go into the hat for brizzle, Brentford or both.
 
Contributors will go in the hat twice (or four times )
 
Brizzle game will be drawn first so members can buy their own tickets if they wish if unsuccessful in draw.
 
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***** Leeds v Cardiff Official Matchday Thread *****
Leeds United remain without the suspended Liam Cooper, Kalvin Phillips, Eunan O'Kane and Samu Saiz.
Conor Shaughnessy (ankle) is set to be out for several weeks and new signing Tyler Roberts will not make his debut as he has a knock.
 
Cardiff could give debuts to new signings Gary Madine and Jamie Ward.
 
Full-back Joe Bennett serves a one-match ban for his red card in the FA Cup defeat by Manchester City on Sunday.
 
SAM's prediction Home win 38% Draw 28%
Away win 34%
 
SAM, the Sports Analytics Machine, is a super-computer built by @ProfIanMcHale of the University of Liverpool.
Match facts
Leeds have won one of their last 10 home league games against Cardiff (D3 L6), winning 1-0 courtesy of an Alex Mowatt strike in November 2015.  
Cardiff have not conceded more than once in any of their last 12 league trips to Elland Road (seven conceded in total) since a 3-0 defeat in April 1963.  
Since a run of four successive league wins, Leeds United have picked up just two points in their last five games (D2 L3), failing to score on four occasions in this run.  
Cardiff have conceded 56% of their league goals in the last 30 minutes this season; only opponents Leeds (58%) have recorded a higher percentage.  
Leeds have lost 11 of the 12 games they have fallen behind in this season in the Championship (92%); the worst such percentage in the competition.  
Since leaving Leeds in April 2013, Neil Warnock has faced his former club four times and won all four matches, two of which have been with Cardiff.  
Grim reaper Neil Warnock comes to town. Gulp. Can't say I'm at all confident. What is our identity at the minute ? Keeping 11 men on the pitch at Hull was an achievement which says it all. Feel we'll get bullied all over the pitch. Fairies likes Alioski & Roofe really need to be in for a physical battle, which I don't see happening. Shithouse Gary Madine to get the winner.
 
Leeds 0-1 Cardiff
 
Madine 62'
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Was January a good transfer window? Poll
Would be interesting to gauge waccoe opinion on this, rather than just see the polar posts that end up in the transfer threads
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Tyler Roberts
Kid deserves his own thread, a little raw, any better then Fletcher that went for £7 million?
 
Anyhow here is his montage
 
 
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January 2018 transfer targets, rumours, wishlist etc.
 
Deadline day special
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*****Official Hull City v Leeds United Matchday Thread*****
Go on then, I'll do it again. 
 
Hull City midfielder Kamil Grosicki could make his first start since Boxing Day after coming off the bench in the FA Cup win over Nottingham Forest.
The Tigers are outside the relegation zone on goal difference and have not won in the league since 9 December.
Leeds United are missing Liam Cooper, Kalvin Phillips, Eunan O'Kane and Samu Saiz through suspension.
Midfielder Adam Forshaw could make his debut after joining from Middlesbrough earlier this month.
SAM's prediction Home win 46% Draw 28% Away win 26% SAM, the Sports Analytics Machine, is a super-computer built by @ProfIanMcHale of the University of Liverpool.
Match facts
Hull are unbeaten in four home league meetings with Leeds (W1 D3) since a 2-1 defeat in January 2007. Leeds have not done a league double over the Tigers since the 1989/90 campaign under Howard Wilkinson - the last season in which they won promotion to the top-flight. Hull City have failed to score in six of their last seven league games, only scoring against Fulham in their 2-2 draw with Fulham in December. This will be Nigel Adkins' fourth home league meeting with Leeds (W2 D0 L1 previously), all against different managers - Gary McAllister (August 2008), Simon Grayson (August 2011), Brian McDermott (September 2013) and Thomas Christiansen this time. Leeds United have been given a red card in each of their three games in all competitions, losing all three - indeed the Whites have received red cards in six games this season (W1 D0 L5). Hull have won five Championship games this season, all against sides beginning with B - in games against sides not beginning with B, they have collected 10 points from a possible 63 (P21 W0 D10 L11).  
1-0 to the tiger cubs for me unfortunately. 
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have we lost a generation?
I was thinking about this will sobering up today. Next year is 15 years since dropping out of the Premier league. There is lots of research to show that the target age of people getting interested in Football and choosing their team is 7 years old.  This is why loads of football club do free tickets/free shirts/make a big fuss for people turning 7. 
 
7 +15 means the last target group to have Leeds as a premier league club will be 22 next season. A 7 year old when we won the title in 1991/1992 season will be 33 next season. 
 
It has been a long an desolate time away from the big time.  Will we ever get back or are we destined to become a lower league club for eternity? Its a bit of a depressive thought. 
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Memorable LUFC  defeats in European competition
I was looking at some old European games from the mid nineties and remembered one attended in 1995.  It was the 3-5 versus PSV Eindhoven.
 
I remember it being a crazy game.  3-1 down at half time and pullled it back to 3-3 and wild scenes.  Then a few minutes of madness to lose 3-5.
 
it was, I believe the only time we conceded 5 goals in a European game. 
 
Despite the the bad result I remember it  being of my favourite games.  PSV Eindhoven were a class act in attack.  Great goals from both sides, but Nillis was brilliant for them.
 
So so that remains my favourite game in europe that Leeds lost at Elland Road 
 
As an aside, I just checked how many European games LUFC have played and was surprised how relatively few, although back in those days it wasn’t so easy to qualify as it is now and it was more of a knockout thing.
 
We've had 148 games in total in European competition.  The home PSV deserts in 95 was our hundredth game.
 
What are your memories of famous defeats in Europe?  Favourite defeat (as perverse at that sounds).
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It's not going to happen is it?
Maybe it because I've had a few beers on a Sunday night but it's just not going to happen is it?
 
It's great that we own the ground again but the rest is just a mis-mash.  Still an unbalanced squad, a questionable Manager and Orta in charge of transfers.  I just can't see us ever attaining the mythical land of the premiership again. Soon it'll be 20 years since to flight football.  Radzs might get disillusioned and sell up and we're still be stuck in  the 2nd tier.
 
It's beyond a joke and I'm not even a depressive drunk. 
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Clubs Transfer Strategy
I see all the fans suggesting we need to be patient, "The club is building for the long term with youth" etc  but I just don't think it will work at this level , certainly not in terms of getting us promoted
 
Every summer we simply lose our best players, last time it was Wood and Taylor, next time Jansson and Saiz  ?    I would argue that as it stands we are no further forward than we were last season and if any of these youth players become gems in the rough then at some point in the near future they will simply be purchased by premier league clubs
 
I don't even think its just about money spent, look at Huddesfeild, they brought in 3 or 4 loanees who were essentially good enough to make the jump to the premiership and then also brought in a couple of talented permanents that also successfully made the jump up a division. They didn't spend a fortune to do it. Its simply about bringing in talented players straight in to the first team and being single minded about it
 
Maybe Leeds strategy is simply to buy cheap and sell big and profit out of it like Cellino, pocketing the profit every year, maybe they arnt bothered about promotion ?
 
P>S this isn't a transfer wish list or just a general gripe its a specific concern about our transfer strategy , that's why I posted it as a new topic, hope that's ok for all the self important keyboard warriors on here. 
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Waccoe.com - Win tickets v Cardiff
Thanks to @toronto white and Waccoe we have two tickets to be won side by side as sheep shaggers meet sheep shaggers
 
Just make some kind of acknowledgment on this thread to go into the hat.
 
Contributors will go in the hat twice 
 
Good luck 
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Are you one of the 10,000 ?
First thing I want to say is that Radrizanni and Kinnear have done some really good things for Leeds United Football club so far.
With this new badge however, they have missed the target by a country mile. They seemingly fail to understand that the club badge has to be an emblem to unite behind, a coat of arms for Leeds United if you like, this looks like something designed for Roy of the Rovers , Melchester Uniteds club crest.
It is simply awful, tacky and amateurish and an own goal at the time when we are living in hope that what they actually do is get on with giving us a team to be proud of. Not the team I watched in the first half last Saturday or the team that lost to Newport County. We don’t need this type of publicity to be honest and I hope that they reconsider.
Anyway, getting to the point of my post, the club say they consulted 10,000 fans in the designing of this badge, was anyone on WACCOE involved, or anyone they know ?  No-One I know has mentioned a word.
 
 
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*** Do you like the new badge? Official Poll ***
Simple question, do you like the new badge?
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New club crest
Should be announced tomorrow 12pm  
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Flowers for Jimmy Armfield RIP
Flowers laid on behalf of all Waccoe members.
 
A true gent of the game
 
RIP
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Some alternative pet peeves re Elland road
Now I  appreciate there are bigger fish to fry but here are some of my pet peeves at Elland Road:
 
1. Dizzy penalties/penalty shootouts - why oh why?  It is so amateurish and basically shit.  Instead we should get the small goals out and watch the under 10’s up to under 13’s LUFC teams play each other in 5 a sides.  Let’s see some of the future players.  Or anything else that isn’t tin pot.
 
2.  Soaking the pitch incessantly.  Why does the pitch need to be drenched so much?  Why at half time.  Surely can stop 20 mins before kick off and let the players warm up without being soaked themselves.  Drives me and also that our players waste the first 10 mins of each half slipping.  And the slick surface is hardly helping us is it?
 
3. The shit soundsytem.  Can’t hear a word that mumbling bloke is saying and the music is muffled.
 
4.  The fucking  announcer making stupid repeated announcements during play that were made at half time about parking restrictions at the west stand.  Don’t need to keep hearing this and I’m sure the players who are trying to concentrate defending a lead don’t need to hear it either.
 
5. “Express” Card only payment lanes.  don’t call them express if the staff member working behind them is working on both an express lane and a normal lane and if it actually ends up taking longer to use that lane!
 
 
 
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Passed away, seemed a very nice bloke. First Leeds manager I knew.
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Over 31,000 sold
over 31 thousand tickets sold for the weekends game, it would seem that the mass of Leeds fans do not subscribe to the view of waccoe that the end is nigh?
Well done to everyone of the 31,000 and more hopefully.
Good to see plenty have some faith
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***** Ipswich v Leeds Official Matchday Thread *****
Ipswich will be without goalkeeper Bartosz Bialkowski, who has a calf strain, with Dean Gerken deputising.
 
Jordan Spence serves the second game of his three-match ban, while Tommy Smith - linked with a move away - misses out.
 
Leeds forward Samu Saiz starts a six-match ban after being sent off for spitting in the FA Cup defeat at Newport on Sunday.
  Full-back Laurens De Bock, who joined from Club Brugge on Thursday, will not feature. SAM's prediction Home win 32% Draw 29% Away win 39% SAM, the Sports Analytics Machine, is a super-computer built by @ProfIanMcHale of the University of Liverpool.
Match facts
Ipswich have lost only one of their last 10 home league matches against Leeds (W7 D2), losing 2-1 in August 2013.  
Leeds have not kept a league clean sheet in any of their last 13 visits to Portman Road, since Mark Beeney was in goal for the Whites in a goalless draw in the Premier League in October 1993.  
David McGoldrick has found the net in five of his seven league matches against Leeds for Ipswich, netting six goals in total including one earlier this season at Elland Road.  
The Whites have not completed a league double over Ipswich in a season since the 2001-02 campaign, when both clubs competed in the Premier League.  
Only matches involving Hull (83) have seen more Championship goals than games involving Ipswich this season (78).  
Leeds have not won their opening away league match in a calendar year since 2009, when they won 2-0 at Brighton in League One; they have drawn two and lost six since.  
En route to Dublin Airport. If the weather is anything to go by it will be an horrendous day. Not confident going into this one, our poor record at Portman Road combined with the absence of Vieira & Sáiz strikes fear in me. Think we'll struggle to retain possession & be bullied off the 2nd ball
 
Ipswich 1-0 Leeds
 
Celina 59'
 
Hope I'm wrong MOT
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***** Newport Cunty 2 - 1 LEEDS UNITED  FT: Berardi SCORES, Saiz OFF  *****
Predictions please ladies - think we'll see something silly like Sutton last season? Or a repeat of the beating we gave these boyos a few months back? 
 
3 - 0 win, Grot to finally give us a goal MOT
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How to Improve the Atmosphere in the KOP??
I don't think I am out of order in saying that the matchday atmosphere in the Gelderd is at an all time low and has been for years. What seems strange though is that every season nothing is done to try and improve it.
 
I think the rise of the South stand over the last say 6 season has been a response to this and has seen atmospheres and numbers in that stand improve season by season.
 
With the Cheese Wedge being opened alot last season and selling out every game this season, the people standing there very much add to the atmosphere generated by the south aswell as creating its own atmosphere.
 
So my question is why is the Gelderd so consistently poor at generating any atmosphere? and what do people think it will take to get it back to the good old days?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Bouy is back - 6 months early.
Midfielder Ouasim Bouy will return to Leeds United early from his loan spell at Spanish club Cultural Leonesa, it has been announced.
Leonesa announced on their official website on Wednesday that the loan of the United player ended today and he is heading back to Elland Road.
The midfield anchorman, 24, joined Leonesa last summer on a season-long loan from Leeds after they signed him on a four-year deal following his release from Juventus.
  Buoy will arrive at his parent club six months earlier than expected after being barely used in Spain, making just four appearances in all competitions. Good move for Leeds?
Not really. If Buoy can’t get a game at the team placed 17th in the second tier of Spanish football, he will struggle to break into an English Championship side with genuine promotion hopes. Leeds would be better off sending the Dutch enforcer out on another loan for the second half of the campaign, perhaps following Marcus Antonsson and Lewie Coyle into League One. At the present time, that appears his natural level. The word from Spain is that Leonesa decided to offload Bouy back to his parent club to free up space on their wage bill, to enable them to bring in new arrivals. The player surely can’t figure in Thomas Christiansen’s immediate plans as he has had only 11 minutes of first-team action since late September.
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